Yes, but that did not mean the machine would be able to go on being marketed like that. How many times did Shatner actually watch it? One hell of a conspiracy. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? Every weekend guns blow up running high pressure calibers like 9mm Luger loaded with super fast powders that are meant for low pressure cartridges like .45. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. Colors: SATIN ROSE | Matte TiCN. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. I don't shoot it often but yesterday had fte problems intermittently. You cannot paste images directly. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. True b. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. That prompted Sig Sauer to issue what it called a voluntary upgrade of the weapon, which included hardware changes to the trigger and striker. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? Where is that defect now? The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. These officers are not gunfighters. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. Tried different mags? Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. How about something more relevant. No you haters are not smarter than the US military, who tested the P320 far more than your favorite YouTuber ever did. After many years of testing, we've developed a replacement part that . Too much MIM in that crap SIG, the old ones were great. I called Sig and the rep said the X5 is designed to do exactly that, blow out the extractor to save other vital parts,whenever there is an over pressure situation. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. OK, in answer to all of the above questions. You have entered an incorrect email address! The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. TACTICALRELOAD-The 4 to 6 week time frame was given to me by customer service rep. Repeat Failure To Eject malfunctions with a Sig P320 .40 destroy my end of year competition scores:/ Life's too short to be working a gun that's working against. (It wasnt my gun). Plastic crap! I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. That is totally unacceptable. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. BrianEnos.com If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. Who knows. . The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. Your previous content has been restored. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. Thanks. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. This gun has had thousands of rounds through it. who sells them? A few weeks ago, my P320Compact (serial number 58B00xxxx) failed to extract a shell. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. Not sure why it wont let me reply to you, but Ill reply to myself in the hope youll get it. If you cant get it working , call SIG and send it back. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. Did you try your other FCU with the 9F kit? What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. SIG brought us into their testing facility today and demonstrated that three upgraded P320s were all functional and fired properly. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. and it did not have issues without the extractor. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. I could just purchase another 9F kit and keep the malfunctioning kit for parts or send it in for repair and sell it when it gets back to recoup some of the costs. TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. That prompted Sig Sauer to issue what it. Yes, a lot of police officers only shoot when they have to for qual. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. I have 2 FCUs and 4 caliber kits. The real tell is that of all the cases, most are cops of some kind. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. It has not yet responded to the latest legal filing, and didnt respond to a request for comment. The investigation revealed the use of an incorrect holster not designed for a [SIG] P320, said the statement, which was released Friday and posted to a U.S. online pro-industry publication, Soldier Systems. Took the wife out to SC yesterday after changing out to the 1911 guide rod with a 12lb spring. Sig Sauer has addressed the main issue with the P320 by redesigning the gun's trigger mechanism. how do I get one for my P320? I too think its ammo related. Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. Born date on box is 8-18-2016. . posted March 06, 2017 05:33 PM. Interestingly the barrel looks different. LOL! I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. The enclosed paper work says they replaced the extractor spring and plunger as well as polish the rear of the slide. 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But SIG Sauer said it has rectified the issue with upgrades, including one made for the U.S. military which court documents, filed as part of one of the lawsuits, show resulted in substantial changes to the weapons internal design. But I can't count the number of guys using n320 and 147s for minimal pf loads. Any Armorer . Excellent work. All polymer guns are cheap, cheap, cheap to make, thats why I threw the Taurus name into the mix. . I'm not sure how long it is really going to take. For the sake of comparison, the P365 has an overall length of 5.8-inches and height of 4.3inches, and the P365 XL has an overall length of 6.6-inches and a height of 4.8-inches. The fact the ammo didn't bother other guns is irrelevant, since every round is, essentially, unique. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. The lead plaintiff, Fernando Armendariz, an agent with U.S. Customs and Border Protection, alleges that his department-issued P320 suddenly and unexpectedly discharged while he was re-holstering it in April 2021, resulting in a gunshot wound to his thigh. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. . Trying to gauge how widespread the problem is. Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. I'll keep you all posted. The P320 was known to discharge if dropped on the striker plate at a certain angle. New extractor? Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. A little variance in the powder drop combined with a lower volume case and you get a round on the high end of the pressure scale for the load. To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. In the case of the 320, lightning is striking the same place an awful lot. She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The problem was strikers. Sent the gun to SIG, got it back with a different extractor spring and plunger, plus new extractor. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. I still love my Sig so I really hope everything works out. Wheee!!. The new guy sucks. Since 2017, Sig has faced at least 13 lawsuits contending a P320 owner was shot and injured in one case, fatally when the gun misfired. I removed the extractor assembly and cleaned it thoroughly. Give me a break. Still no issues except an occasional FTF as I play with ammo loads and seating depths. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. Some of the plaintiffs claim the pistol can fire without the trigger even being touched. Sorry for the long post but I just needed to vent my tale of woe. They received it on 1/10/2018. Limp wristing? The cost of settlements will be passed on to us. You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. SHORTBUS- As stated, used all of the other calibers and kits with both FCUs. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Clear editor. LOL! A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 -- a pistol that the Army's new sidearm is based on . Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! At least the Lion roars when he is hungry, the C.E.O smiles at you and when you turn your back he puts a knife right into it. The wife sold her 2011 to buy this gun as she is also waiting for aftermarket parts from Grays. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. JavaScript is disabled. Sig Sauer P320 comes in an exposed hammer version for Military use. Theres a couple of possibilities. The first thing to note about the P320 XTen is that it is, in fact, a P320. Paste as plain text instead, Ever since the internet went mainstream I have read about the Sigs decline. 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