You can post now and register later. Other places I looked at wanted $1000-1200 for a new unconverted Saiga. That is the bolt lock. Ownership in Russia requires only a smoothbore-gun license. It sure has hell seems like a lot of people commenting on here have never even handled a Vepr 12. The VEPR-12 is definitely an improvement over the Saiga-12, but as far as I can tell its still a solution looking for a problem. Modeled after the iconic Kalashnikov rifle, the Russian semi-automatic VEPR-12 was specifically designed for law enforcement, military, and civilian professional competition. First on the list of gripes is the safety. That said, Ill admit that in the reviews I have done Ive tried to add any categories that I felt had a direct affect on the overall score so the overall did make more sense when taking into account the stuff above it. It has failures to eject. Id hate to be the test case, but it seems likely that if anything, the test case would likely be a pretext prosecution (i.e. Oh, and the best part: The bolt is held open after the last round fires. Purpose [ edit] Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! At what point of the loading is it having the issue? For that reason, why would they go to the trouble of polishing and beautifully machining their internals when they don't need to. This results in roughness in the action and (FTE) Failure to Eject problems. is this normal? Ive seen them at atlantic firearms and classic firearms for $999. Unlike the IZ-109 manually adjustable gas regulator system used on the Saiga-12, the gas system on the Vepr-12 is a clone of the IZ-433 unregulated fixed open port tappet system, allowing the Vepr-12 to cycle most commercially available 12-gauge loads, from 3.25 dram equivalent and up, without risking damage to the shotgun and without requiring any manual adjustment by the user. If youre running in open division then this is definitely an option, but consider that for the same price you can have a Mossberg 930 with an XRAIL and have 22 rounds at your disposal before needing to reload, and still have a normal shotgun in every other way. Dyspeptic Gunsmith can probably answer this better and more eloquently than I can. I feel fine with my Mossberg 590 for home defense and it only holds 5 rounds. Please post a video of this if you can. Were not supposed to call out reviewers on their biases! I repair a lot of tube fed guns. This can't be done by the end user, as the little front 'lip' would be removed in the process. My Saiga 12 works flawlessly if I have the gas adjusted correctly. Ive yet to see an XRAIL that actually works reliably. The more stable the shooter, the more reliable your shotgun will run. Id also be really embarrassed to show up at work without pants on, but its just about as likely. It should be solid as a rock, but we will need you to post a video or multiple pics showing the amount of play you are speaking of. You cannot paste images directly. It has a side-folding two-strut folding stock with a buttpad and reversible cheekpad. There are other firearms with way more aftermarket parts available. In particular, the shotgun has carved out a niche among IPSC competition shooters, one of the Vepr-12's target audiences. Im not worried about needing more than 6 rounds of 12 gauge for home defense. Hopefully Ill have a great running Vepr 12!!!! However, it does not happen all the time, especially if you are using light loads. The Vepr-12 lacks the standard AK side mounting rail, instead using a Picatinny rail incorporated into the dust cover for optic mounting. VEPR-12 Shotgun Specifications: Caliber: 12ga Barrel: 19 inches Capacity: 4+1 MSRP: $1,199 ( Buds) mags. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. Is that normal? Top competitors compete with what their sponsors tell them to so they serve as walking advertisements. Yea that was the first thing i thought also. I can see MAYBE using the VEPR 12 with a 20-round drum of Dragons Breath to fry the crippled bastard after Ive tartard his @$$ but thats just to make sure they dont get up again like in a horror film. Loans no. Molot VEPR. If it does the mags may be the issue. I dont believe the 2nd is about home defense. Also considered potential liability at trial. A little play is normal on your piston. And to Nick: feelings shouldnt really affect things. His point about magazines, there are 5, 8, 10, 12 round mags available and various drums too. All were low brass including Winchester Super Target, Federal Game Loads, and Remington Game Loads. With the Vepr, I went through about 50 and didnt have a sore shoulder. I saw the MAC review of it though where he had malfunctions with the hulls hitting the optic though. I suppose that makes sense for hogs though. You can also connect 2 together doubling your capacity. The bolt release tab then protrudes out indicating you have a locked colt. Not sure about VEPR shotguns, but their AK-47 https://gritrsports.com/shooting/firearms/rifles/ak-47-rifles/ are top notch! But the question remains: is the gas piston supposed to have a little side to side play in it? The brenneke slugs I've used have been more accurate over the others. There are a lot of internet experts out there. Trying to make it a skeet gone is a joke. Go grab some decent buckshot and slugs and run about 20 or so through the gun to make sure it is broken in. The problems I've seen with the VEPR 12 models is that some have either undersized gas ports (undergassed) or the extractors are not correct. Then you mention the xrail as if it is a viable and useful alternative instead of the uber-expensive, unreliable, heavy piece of crap it is in reality? Is the type of jam always the same (spent shell not being fully ejected, shell getting stuck on feed ramp, etc.). There is a little round button just behind the mag well, press that bitch up and rack the bolt. If you can get a few pictures I can at least compare with my Vepr 12. The areas in blue should be left in tact. If you dont like the stock, replace it with something else like you would do on an AR. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. We shoot through a full magazine of mix batch random ammo for a nice surprise for the shooter. But still, there are problems. I just cannot see how this can be dangerous. Yeah I forgot about that, But they also make a new 3" magnum load which I would like to try out for HD. Has anyone else had this problem? Finally, if stuff happened and it was confiscated, Id just buy anotherno drama. It made firing the gun somewhat uncomfortable for me. Description THIS IS JUST THE SLEEVE - REPLACE YOUR WORN OUT SLEEVE Inconsistencies of the Saiga Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are a problem due to how it flexes and can jam your gun and not allow it to cycle easily. Early American export models have no muzzle brake and have a fixed stock rather than a folding stock. This did nothing either. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/vepr-12-gauge-shotgun-pre-order-detail.html?Itemid=0, http://www.classicfirearms.com/long-guns/vepr12gashotgun-1. The safety on the m1 rifle and several other firearms is in the trigger gaurd. For full power buckshot loads it runs flawlessly. While I understand the concept, thats not exactly the truth about the gun. Pasted as rich text. Magazine: Removable box 5 rounds (8 ,10 ,12, and 25 round magazines available) The Russian VEPR 12 semi . It runs like a damn champ now. I took the shotgun apart, wiped the piston, bolt, carrier, and reapplied lube. These are getting hard to come by. youtube should be fine. Some SGM 10-12 rounders have had issues sticking because of some leftover material inside that needs to be smoothed out. Home defense, war, Armageddon is what its designed for. Ive done similar things on my reviews. To do this, simply remove the dust cover and the recoil spring assembly so that you have access to the tang. Then of course the possibility of violating firearms laws in a different state. I considered giving it to a friend for safekeeping but everyone knows how that goes. The shotgun is also imported into the United States. Second, ITS NOT DESIGNED TO RUN LOW BRASS BULK BIRDSHOT. The gun suffers from the same parallax issues that the Saiga had, since the sights are over an inch above the top of the barrel, and if youre spending this kind of money on a dedicated trap or skeet gun there are much better suited choices out there. Its pretty much always the same malfunction. $699 classic firearms they cant keep them in stock tho sell out with in one two weeks and takes a second for em to get em again. and yes they first need judge order or arrest u, there arrest found not sound leave them open to law sute Okay, in the first picture, it says 1276 on the receiver. sure Ill have to replace a couple parts but the mag does count as one of them. After the break in period it fires everything from cheap wallyworld birdshot up to slugs. Glad I held off on a Saiga. Place a screwdriver or other object on the follower ans forcefully push the follower down and let it come back up very quickly. I also paid $630 for it during Firearmageddon last year. I guess I'm different in that I never look for a "end-all-be-all" firearm be it hand/long. But practical use. Still, your point remains. I find it laughable that you recommend a Mossberg 930 over the VEPR. springfield-hellcat-for-sale The Winchester would not cycle the shotgun at all. I am new and just learning, but certain brands of ammo do not work well, and there is a brand sold at Walmart called Suprema that is inexpensive and works well from what I have read, while certain loads of Winchester have issues. $2,699.99. Thanks man, it is sounding more and more like this is a trigger issue. So Second, see my comment right above yours. Light recoil for a 12 gauge. The CD, Superformance, and Zombie loads are all the same shit with different hulls. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I second the Wally world suprema ammo. Others it works right out of the box. A similar question could ale be asked: why not include price as a gradeable category? You could contact WPA for warranty work, but as long as its not being allowed to screw or unscrew, Id say its ok. Yours is moving much more than mine does though. Vepr 12 Problems, Turn to the Internet Posted on August 25, 2013by shootip5 Vepr 12 Problems, The Internet is my Only Hope: So I start Googling "Vepr 12" , "Vepr 12 problems" and I come across www.Vepr.orgmessage board. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Or how would i go. Awesome, thats good news! Early versions of the Vepr-12 were produced by Izhmash, with production moving to the Molot factory where the shotgun was redesigned and mass-produced. An unusual feature among firearms in the Kalashnikov family, the Vepr-12 sports a last round bolt hold-open mechanism. There are some really nifty features on this gun, and it definitely is an improvement from the Saiga-12, but Im running into the same problem that I ran into with the Saiga: what do you use it for? The "flexing" and binding of the captured OEM assemblies can rob your system of the efficiency needed to cycle the gun properly. Yet it never fails. Mine won't function with them either. Shame on you. Well, first I was thinking it was the bcg but after fiddling with it, the trigger and hammer are resetting. I was still having some issues with the low brass ammo. And lastly, just my opinion, If paralax is an issue and you cant compensate for 1 then maybe a different hobby is better for you. I got some great help from 505Fire from Vepr.org. I took the Vepr back to the gun range using only the stock magazine and with the gun lubricated. This is the best shotgun for the money, a lot easier to reload than filling a tube magazine. I've compiled the 12 gauge 2 2/3" shells for your reference: http://www.doitdarith.com/temp/vepr12/wolfammo12gaugevepr12.html. This guy's specialty is with Saiga 12 and VEPR 12 shotguns, specifically with making them run smoothly and efficiently. One of the things I appreciate about your reviews is that theyre real reviews. I received my VEPR-12 shortly after the ban on Russian imports began and probably paid a little too much for it, but what the heck! Showing up without them; likely. To which I reply that guns are tested in factory condition, and a gun that needs to be fixed before you can actually use it is a pretty piss poor gun.. Model: VEPR 12 Short-Barreled Shotgun (SBS) Action: Magazine-fed, semi-automatic Caliber: 12 gauge, 3" chamber Length: 34" Barrel length: 12" Weight: 9.3 lbs Capacity: 5 or 8 (Standard) and higher (extended) MSRP: $1,699 ( The other variants carry a MSRP of $1,199) VEPR 12 Shotgun This review doesnt mention what it did shooting target rounds like in 3 gun. What do you use it for? Plus, the ones at my WalMart are 1315fps. Considering that standard OOB over penetrates at 1325 FPS for HD purposes, and has a ratty pattern, 1600 FPS would seem a move in the wrong direction. Because its not an AR. Make your guide rod upgrade quick and painless! In the same area is the bolt release. If run out of ammo, beat enemy to death with magazine!! Thanks guys. Ok, then which semi-auto magazine fed shotgun are you comparing it to? I sent my bolt carrier group, piston, and fire control group to Shannon who began work on polishing the parts immediately. Overall the VEPR-12 is a dramatic improvement over the Saiga. I was looking for a buttstock for my Vepr 12 Molot. See if the follower moves smoothly all the way down. i would like to see an update to the review considering 800 is the new price.. +1 But a fun range gun with 20 round drums. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. mossberg-silver-reserve-for-sale The Vepr 12 has AK-style sights; however, it also has a top rail if you want to mount a red dot or similar optic. The follower is a bit rough in my sgm but unfortunately the fte problem happens with the factory 5 rounder also. Onetap, Price wasnt a prior category. fack is most usa parts not mark This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. firearmsshop produces the most quality armor products such as AK-47 AK-74,So you can click on the link below to place your order. All Rights Reserved. In reality, when you think about it, these guns were made for the Russian military and I doubt they are running any "low brass" through them since they are designed to kill. Due to Russian law, domestic and many export versions of the shotgun are equipped with a disconnector that will render the gun unable to fire while the stock is folded (only if the length of the weapon gets less than 800 mm). With the array of ammo, loads, shot type, etc, making one that runs everything is near impossible. Call me vain, but my second reason for buying a gun after having a use for it is aesthetics. While I get the point the 922r Law is stupid, stay safe and dont give them anything to hang you with. Factory threaded barrel (thread pattern is the same as Saiga) Caliber: 12-gauge. The only slugs I run now are the Brenneke. Stay away from bird shot, and low FPS loads. In the old stone quarry, I ran five loads through the VEPR-12 for patterning at 15 yards. Then I looked at my ugly but 100% reliable $200 Mossberg 500 with 8 rounds and a wood stock. Thats a piss poor reason to buy a gun but some how it came home with me anyway. I couldnt tell you on the overpenetraion aspect, as most of their buckshot is the same across the board. Sign In; Register . Upgrade for the factory VEPR-12 and SAIGA-12 recoil assemblies. Where is the best place to buy the vepr12. The first, and tightest, was Federal's LE 12700 that showed the sights were regulated low and right, which was quickly corrected without tools on the adjustable tangent rear. From what I understand, you are not supposed to use low brass ammo in the VEPR12 - it's in the manual somewhere. When running low brass and target loads, every single round would essentially "stovepipe" and the next round would not cycle. I got some great help from 505Fire from Vepr.org truth about the gun uncomfortable. 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