LE doesn't want to call anyone a suspect only a POI (Person of Interest). Klein, who is currently in police custody, was charged in August 2020 with 30 felonies, including child exploitation, possession of child pornography, obstruction of justice, and synthetic identity deception. Those trails are where kids went. It was the last time the girls were seen alive, and the recordings German collected on her phone including a chilling recording of the mans voice remains almost the only evidence ever released to the public in whats become known as the Delphi murders. He looks similar build/type to the video. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I mean if they weren't involved in murder and drug smuggling it shows that they pick and choose their cases. There's a case from the mid 90s in my home state where a woman was stabbed on a beach just outside a small community. The only thing I can think of is that he was comparing body to body three unusual things done to/with each body. They don't have a clue who the real killer is. Is this case the result of two stupid young girls who didn't get the FUCK out of dodge when they had the chance OR a bumbling homicide department? Here is a local news broadcast showing the computer simulation of the bridge. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Also in the thread is a link to a compilation of his TikTok video posts and his voice sounds like the voice of the Bridge Guy. [quote]It's creepy but it's not of one of the victims. If you google him he definitely fits for Bridge Guy. On Saturday, March 18, 1972, Garnett was convicted of first-degree murder. They then posed for pictures standing on the murdered children's graves. Okay doing my random check in. I found it odd to address two young girls as guys. Also, the man in the video did seem confident in directing two strangers down the hill. Someone in law enforcement would have had practice in directing people on what todo, where to go. Whatever the case, his interview raised so many questions in my mind. I never thought this guy did it because the body just didnt match. Right jacket pocket. I read the 2 Reddit forums about the Delphi Murders. I hope the bastard didnt just die from covid, getting away with murder. Its 65-70 feet off the river deck. Before the murders, Libby had her aunt do a factory reset of her phone (Libby's phone) because it was acting up. The glamorous blonde star shot to fame in 1982 when she starred in Lloyd Webber's hit musical Evita, taking over from Elaine Page. There is an escort from that area who recorded the judge Kurtis Fouts and he resigned. Wonder if he's Leigh Kerr. This is why I question that persons credibility. West End star Stephanie Lawrence died of natural causes after suffering from No way. READ | A look at the property where two missing teen girls were found dead. I suspect youre right R197, but no one should EVER assume gender. There's a school of thought that local LE have a good idea of the perp's ID, but the person has a strong (though faux) alibi. Actress. He mutilates the eyes . Or, more likely, it was the cause of death that got them involved. They were a couple who killed children in the 60's in England. "After I started my forensics classes, I understood more of why we don't have all the answers," Kelsi said. R192 My understanding is the Facebook page had a photo of an amateur singer as the profile photo. I think I would have nightmares for the rest of my life. Meat packing plant worker?) when it had taken them for-fucking-ever to do jack shit about it and then they bungled and fucked up the search. I think you could be right about that being all they have UNLESS everything else is too disturbing (him talking but you can also hear the girls pleading or whatever). Most notably: "The way you left them in those woods is not IS NOT what they're experiencing today". Maybe this is the only thing he says without their voices mixed in. As of February, Leazenby said, investigators have received more than 50,000 tips. R62- Do you think he was "speaking code" to the killer? A person named Kegan Anthony Kline has been arrested in connection with the Monday night plea from Indiana State Police. There is no statute of limitations on murder. We know how the girls died. He collected a lot of weird knives, I think. If they know who it is, that name would get out. That said, it's not proof of anything. The last press conference bordered on ridiculous. R81's theory makes sense. The parents did a piss poor job of supervising their kids. I have not been able to post a link for 2 days or I would be happy to. Holes, the retired homicide investigator, also said the app could prove helpful, as perhaps the closest thing the public has to more photos of the Delphi killings. The police mention DNA evidence. Did one or more than one set of footprints lead searchers to the area where the girls were found? Recent court documents filed refer to providing defense counsel for Keegan Kline an interview between his client and Barbara MCDonald, who is producer/narrator of the Down the Hill podcast series on Delphi, as well as a recorded interview between him and police. It took the panel two hours to return with a penalty of life behind bars. R18 I have heard that there is 7 minutes and also 40 minutes. They've never publicly released information as to what exactly happened to the girls, though one can only assume they were likely sexually assaulted before being killed. Chadwell, of Lafayette, was investigated in connection to the crime shortly after his arrest. The guy behind Anthony schotz profile was in communication with Libby all weekend long. I believe it was from a first responder. As described in the news stories about his trial by the late Daily Local reporter and editor Shirley McCauley, the case against Garnett was largely circumstantial. You think they have that technology/ability, R278. Delphi Lawrence was born on March 23, 1932 in London, United Kingdom. They said that Bridge Guy seen in Libby's video we've seen isn't necessarily the man who said, "Down the hill, guys", In the audio after the portion that we've seen and heard, there is more that we haven't seen & heard - Libby asks Abby if the creepy guy is still there. Holy shit! As the sun went down and the temperature dropped, the search continued through midnight when it was officially suspended, although some family and friends did continue to search into the overnight hours. The True Crime Garage podcast just dropped a 3 part episode all focused on one person of Interest. I guess I need to create an account. In the thread, a poster has made several Photoshop images that show how the photo of Liberty used on the Missing posters matches up with a creepy tattoo on the guy's arm. Delphi Lawrence was born on March 23, 1932 in London, United Kingdom. Ives says in this Dr Oz interview he hopes police will release more info. The second piece of evidence is a short audio clip which was also found on Libbys phone. No matter how distant, do you have the man walking on the bridge, videoed by Libby, on any other video? There are rumors that they did collect touch DNA at the site but no one knows for sure. The audio of a mans voice saying down the hill was seconds long and was released free of video. , money, salary, income, and assets. Q. Sick, sick, sick. Did anything they said at either of the latest press conferences seem to fit with that theory? I mean, not knowing the howmeans any awful thing you think of, if that makes sense. This case has literally haunted me. The Monon Trail also passes by the former (now abandoned) estate of Herb Baumeister, who buried some 30+ of his victims on the property. Sorry R91 posted it before I read through. Because why else would anybody pretend to be CERTAIN it's not him? One woman said a young guy was staying at her house and an older guy who looks like Bridge Guy picked up the younger man from her house on the day the girls went missing. The key evidence in the case has been video taken by Libby, likely in the moments before her death. The timing of the girls recording, their death and the finding of their bodies also meant the killer acted quickly which likely means he had a confidence in surroundings. People are already calling it out as bullshit. So incredibly sad. I was recently educated on this point by someone who knows more about True Crime than I do. This presumed lack of DNA is one reason why people believe the girls weren't sexually assaulted. There are lots of close-ups of his jacket and I see an outline of a gun in his right pocket area. That said, the writing style to me reads as a man in either law enforcement or law. WEST CHESTER Delphi Lawrence had been dead a little over a year when Chester County Common Pleas Court Judge Thomas A. Pitt Jr. called the case of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania vs. Carl Garnett. It could be DNA from one of Chadwell's dogs. You can also use the following email to report directly: Delphi Lawrence - Wiki, Age, Biography, Trivia | FilmiFeed. r40, you don't know what they do or don't havea bit silly to call law enforcement "incompetent" without knowing a damn thing. R150 I think theyve ruled that out. Police did not elaborate as to specifically why police believe the account may be tied to the murders of Abby and Liberty. Those poor, poor girls. I mean, look at the guy in the thread about the PA murder-suicide and that was just about snow dumping! R14 During one of the press conferences a couple of years ago, the police stated that they had someone in mind and they were probably watching the press conference at that moment, they went onto say that the culprit would slip up and they had almost certainly told someone something about the murders and that person would come forward eventually. 1950. Unlike other old cases, they were not disposed of because Garnett had continued to appeal his conviction. Of course I say it could, but all of this is only a guess. Become a contributor - post when you want with no ads. Both girls had open caskets but had to wear scarves. Chadwell was in prison for 13 years and he worked on bridges. Some of the girls' clothing was found floating in the creek that they had been forced to cross. The bereaved older sister said she has also listened to the audio clip captured by Liberty "about a million times. Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenvy has been working the Delphi Murders case for four years. She was nominated for a 1974 Joseph Jefferson Award for Best Actress in a Principal Role for her performance in "Separate Tables", at the Ivanhoe Theatre in Chicago, Illinois. But if they don't have DNA then they'll never be able to prove it. [quote] Payback? To date, more than 30,000 tips have come to the police and every one of those leads has been followed. At least the FBI is investigating. Delphi Lawrences search trend from the last 12 months (The below graph report is directly fetched from the Google Trends): We strive for accuracy and fairness. We all knew this sick piece of shit would kill again. Aargh at first I knew lots . now who are all these names & initials?! Thank you. Maybe the families meant that the girls going to the bridge that day was not due to being specifically catfished on that day. If it was neck injuries then it's likely knife or wire, or both. I had not even thought about the fact the guy could have gained weight! Some features on this site require registration. Why are some of you being such assholes? R446, the phone was factory reset 9 days after the murders. I know it's just a couple of words, but it fucking chills me to the bone. The audio clip and still image of the suspect made it especially stick in my mind. A coroner decided there were no suspicious circumstances surrounding the That recording must haunt them. a true crime group i read 95% of the members think it's this guy. Both families maintain that Abby and Libby weren't catfished. possible exit route of the killer(s)? You've seen too many movies. When they now began to answer his inquiries, he learned another reason why they had been so close-lipped. We have estimated Delphi Lawrence's net worth, money, salary, income, and assets. She was nominated for a 1974 Joseph Jefferson Award for Best Actress in a Principal Role for her performance in "Separate Tables", at the Ivanhoe Theatre in Chicago, Illinois. I am presuming the girl who had more physical trauma was Libby, since she was older and bigger than Abigail, and thus probably more likely to put up a fight or try to cause a scene. The walkway they crossed was pretty damaged and he must have had prior experience of walking it, as he crossed it pretty quickly. R252 you are a troll. I still think he meant to abduct them but they messed up his plans by running and he had to recapture them. If Leigh Kerr is legit then I think the PB suspect people mention in the AMA thread is the guy. She wasn't there, and she doesn't know. They need to come up with, or utilize, cellphone GPS-tracking by wireless carriers. The sheriff also had notable body language that could be interpreted as guilt or fear. That and the condition of the bridge could account for the way he was walking. If you consider the chief suspect is in prison, I can see them wanting to build their case. [post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) But who knows what they are. Assuming everything in that video at R500 is accurate it's pretty convincing. It wasn't too long ago and I wonder if that corresponds with the timing of this revelation, This will not be the guy- he is too fat- the guy in the video is far thinner than his baggy clothes make him look (And clearly has weaponry in his shirt), I agree R145, but apparently there are pics of him from 2017 where he's thinner (haven't seen them yet). Perhaps someone who have lived in the area as a kid/teen/young adult, moved away. R42 Feb 15 is a Monday, not Saturday, apologies (again). Stuff they are releasing now is ridiculously old (did you see a car parked in a lot that no longer exists 2 years ago?). This case has really resonated with sleuth-wannabe fraus. Looks like a socio. Some believe it's related to chadwell requesting a different venue due to Delphi publicity, but the cops are no longer going to discuss any suspect publicly. On the final day of testimony, Garnett himself took the stand. Anyone following this case (and this thread) should check out the podcast: Murder Sheet. Those reddit links are all over the place. Hopefully the lack of screams means they were killed very fast. Nations once lived in Indiana and faced charges in September 2017 for threatening people with a hatchet on a rural trail in Colorado. Look at his left ear in the photo and the left ear of the first sketch. A truck driver maybe or someone whose job requires travel. We were told that the guy probably looks younger than he is. For the sake of argument, lets say they didnt know him. DELPHI | Libby German's sister hopes Twitter can help find her killer, "(We) thought we were going to get the clues that we needed and be done with this in four or five days," ISP Detective Jerry Holeman told RTV6 in 2019. r319 Jack the Ripper did something similar to Mary Kelly after he killed her in her small bedsit room. Sometimes a hatchet is mentioned as being the murder weapon. Evidently the sheriff is going to answer submitted questions. Audible gunshots would have potentially drawn attention. I just finished part II. Thats why they were killed in such a brutal way. Can we link to Reddit on here? Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby has been working the Delphi Murders case for four years. I believe he is guilty of the two girls murders. A brief audio clip, which police have always said was just a small clip of what they have from Libbys phone, was released on Feb. 22, 2017. It was only about a minute long and he just said he didn't do it. Again, jmo. The local police say the case is still active. R245 You are saying BG has nothing to do with the crime? The amount of weapons he is carrying give him the appearance of weighing more than he does, and to me it makes he seem older than his real age, jmo. R259, the video is blurry. R383, It was Libby's older sister, Kelsi, who agreed to it. Im guessing Gelsons or The Abbey with her twink coke whores. I didn't see a scarf. Like, we're doing this cool thing tomorrow afternoon. Police believe that the person in question is between 56 and 510 tall and weighs between 180 to 200 pounds. be no inquest because there were no suspicious circumstances. Also learn how She earned most of Delphi Lawrence networth? According to the officer, Garnett told police that he and Delphi had gone to a coal yard in the southeast section of the borough, where he forced her to have sex with him. He says the items were unusual. The public has been given two sketches, is the thought there is more than one person involved or is the second sketch the suspected killer? Delphi LE gave hints that they believe 2 men were involved (one older and one younger). The area around the Monon High was searched for Not saying that they were definitely not up to something but not necessarily either. Smith Moving Co., Durnell told the jury on the fist day of testimony, under the questioning of Assistant District Attorney Robert Gawthrop III. I think that the escort who blew the whistle on the Lafayette's Men Club that shared girls and subjected them to horrible abuse + the Judge who had to resign could be part of the Delphi Murders. R340, they do not doubt it's him, it's me- i just think it's too soon to say it's definitely him. R68- Yes. and I'm leaving the joking behind. Q. i feel like they need some help from some higher sources. Evidently they talk about a creepy guy following them and what should they do about it on the video. The bodies of Abby Williams, 13, and her best friend Libby German, 14, were discovered near a river a short distance away from the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, on February 14, 2017. That would also account for his careful, hesitate gait, as well as the condition of the bridge, as you correctly pointed out. The links won't post here. (Midday/midweek). Just happens he has a dog that he's trained to chase cats or has a dog period? The girl on Facebook who posted that she knew the killer and the details and name of the killer has deleted the comments. husband, Laurie Sautereau, at their home in Fulham, west London, on Saturday, had committed suicide. Oh thank you R226, R227! I have been reading true crime stories since I was 12 years old. To me, it sounds like he approached them, got their attention with Guys? and then showed a gun. For other inquiries, Contact Us. I cant say theres not a threat to the community, Indiana State Police Sgt. I used to regularly take my family dog out for a walk in a wooded area near my house when I was a teen, it wasn't a popular area but every so often I'd cross paths with someone and even as a well built teenage guy with a german shepherd I felt vulnerable, so I can only imagine how those girls must have felt in their final moments. R97 I think the images and audio were from the cloud. Once the family said they dont think it was this guy it solidified it. I remember there was a long thread (or more than one) about this when it happened. Congratulations on this excellent venture what a great idea! It is very difficult to study this case. I mentioned it on that thread. Im watching now and r138 is right. We dont know.. Horrifying. A. I really hope so. The police sketch that LE recently released (where the guy looks younger) was actually the first police sketch that was drawn. He said he offered to take her home and try to help, but that his stepfather overruled him. His gait seemed slower and that of an older man. I think the creepiest part is the police apparently know who did it but because of the video quality they can't charge to culprit so are just waiting for him to make a mistake. I had doubts before but no longer after learning more about that terrain. On Monday, police announced that Richard Allen, 50, of Delphi, was arrested and charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of Libby and Abby. Police, including West Chester Detective Carl Durnell, and Chester County Detectives Frank Judge and L. Dyer Henley, had focused their attentions on Garnett soon after Delphis body was found in the creek on April 4, 1971, a month after her disappearance. Maybe they didn't have a plan or "date" to MEET a catfisher, but maybe they had online chit-chat with a catfisher along the lines of, fun stuff they were going to do. That's it. It shows how ratty the bridge was and why the killer would have been apprehensive when walking across the bridge. The man in the photo wears a navy blue jacket and a distinctive hat. Whats with all the secrecy from the cops? Have they interviewed Pastor Davey? "We are confident you have told someone what you have done. Good observation! "We have not caught the person yet. Ok, maybe this screenshot shows why I see a younger guy loaded with stuff. Going back years and years? The girls were about 14? Never help someone take you somewhere ("I'll do anything you want just please don't hurt me") or let them tie you up- even if they have a gun or knife pointed at you. R473 The Sheriff said that there are 3-4 people that they believe could be the killer(s) and that it changes. It seems pretty in-line with their murders. A woman took photos and gave them to LE. [quote] I wont link cuz DL doesnt like the Mail, We don't like when people start threads with a daily mail link. Am looking for the photos and came across this. They looked like sweet girls and it pisses me off that now the people there cant even enjoy those trails. Nothing good ever came from the Knoxville Tn. There's video of Chadwell in 2016 with the tattoo already on his arm, r388. It was bizarre when Leigh Kerr was answering FB questions and JDW popped in. The killer could have worn gloves. I am going to Google percentages Again, good observation. Why doesn't this redditer just say what it is in summary? Several feet behind her, a blurry figure can be seen behind a tree off to the side of the trail. Here's a good recap of the investigation. R462 That was the fat pedo's reset of his phone. She was a veteran of the Royal Variety Performance and was commissioned for a I wish someone with money or connections would help these families hire a private investigator or lawyer to access additional details on the case. See full bio Born: Bluestine, of the Innocence Project, said that cases in which the strongest, or only, piece of evidence is a defendants confession are many times the ones that are later shown to be wrongful prosecutions. What really strikes me, though, is the photos from the Facebook account. Im guessing it wasnt this guy since its been a while without any news. I don't get it. i really hope they have some DNA evidence in the Delphi case. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they were the same car and someone changed the plates during the day. license plate, year, make, model, color). That can happen and then it's usually a big sum. Little by little, he broached the subject with relatives who had previously remained silent about the death. I would characterize him as an intelligent young man, Durnell said. Weight ages you. And another year slips by.. His clothes make him appear to be in his 40s. What good is it if you haven't done your investigation so that you can get a conviction. Also, if you listen closely to the recording, it sounds like you hear the Guys and then one of the girls yelling something. Please clarify the two sketches, this has been a point of confusion since the second sketch was released. Pedophiles identify with him. All the "recent" info is a bunch of conjecture from a supposed insider who has been all over the FB groups and Reddit. Maybe a tree branch. And these leakers and other insiders AFAIK any anon person claiming such status online is not to be taken seriously . that not true here? This goes along with the theory they know who it is. R299, the tattoo dates to before the murders, there's a photo of him playing with a puppy in 2016 where he has the tat. No stone should be left underturned! A family member dropped the girls off that afternoon with a plan to pick them up a few hours later. Let's seeon one hand, this guy was found with a 9 year old girl chained up in his basement, having been kidnapped, sexually molested and beaten. My term ends in 2022 [and I] would love nothing more than to see someone convicted of this crime before I am out of office.. I just read the link in R288 and hes a Trump supporter lol. Apparently you can get away with killing two people in the middle of a sunny day outside with others AND with video/pictures and audio of your voice. I thought if I gave a statement, they would still have to prove it. We recommend you to check the complete list of Famous People born on 23 March. We don't know if they were posed. And while I understand there is need for some hold back, it's inexplicable they waited so long to release the video and audio. In 1962, she starred in episode 11 of TheSaint ("The Man Who Was Lucky") as Cora. Libby was posting to Snapchat, so they had a good signal. 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